Monday, January 24, 2011

The Politics of Disposition

Dale’s post and report on this year’s Anderson bottle show gave the annual event a big thumbs up. Anderson has also always been on my list of shows to attend and I was really bummed that I couldn’t make this year’s festivities. I have had several reports of what a great show it was for both the buying and selling of bottles. Sometimes it doesn’t take a large venue to make a memorable show.

Old Cutters comment on Dale’s Anderson post: “Sadly, "my" labeled Rickity Rackety has now gone into a black hole. We talked of the trade before it happened and I said that it looked like a good deal for both of you. “ got me to thinking about how hard it is for bottle collectors to let things go.

I presume by OC’s comment that Dale acquired the “rickety rackety” from Old Cutters in a transaction for some consideration - be it cash, trade, Winchester’s or a player to be named at a later date. If indeed the transaction was completed then the “rickety rackety” was the property of Dale not Old Cutters. I also presume, from Old Cutters comment, that , "my" labeled Rickity Rackety was part of a trade for the black glass Cassin’s (I guess I am presuming a lot.. but if I didn’t I wouldn’t be writing this post) and Old Cutters approved the trade.

I just have to laugh at the way collectors (and myself) continue to hang on to stuff even after they sell it to someone else. How many times has someone looked at your bottle collection and commented “Oh, you still have “my” bottle”. Your bottle? Didn’t I pay for that years ago. How about the “Hey where’s “my” blue soda, when did you sell that?..... Oh, about three years after I paid for it! Or, my favorite, “Wow, my bitters, sure makes that run of bottles look good”

And the really funny part of all this is it works both ways. Just the other day a buddy from Benicia called to let me know that he was selling off some bottles and asked me “What do you want to do with your Hostetter’s?” My Hostetter’s? I asked. ” Yep” ,he replied “the green one you dug in Downieville” I thought I sold that to you years ago, was my come back. “Yah, yah, you did so do you want to buy it back?” I’m a little short of cash right now can we work something out if I throw in your Drakes Plantation and a couple western meds, I offered.

Hey, Old Cutters, I’m not laughing at you. I’m laughing with you. Oh, by the way, do you still have my Cundurango, or was that Warren’s?

And about those black holes……..


  1. I must say this is a disappointing post to say the least. Kind of expected it though after reading the comment which is the basis for it. One of the least attractive aspects of this hobby is that everybody has to know everything about what anybody does.Evidenced by the frenzy of comments on the whiskey blog after a rumor of a great bottle changing hands). To set the record straight as if it is anyone's business, I had two examples of an Oregon fifth. I had been the only owner of said fifths other than the original diggers/ finders. No collector from California has ever owned either of said whiskey bottles, and I was able to work out a trade deal with the owner of the Cassin's. I had previously offered the non labeled example( duplicate) months ago to the comment poster and was turned down due to finances. The labeled example was never on the table nor discussed with anyone as to being available...ever.Then I saw the Cassin's, and began discussion with owner of such for a possible trade for the labeled duplicate as the Cassin's owner loves labeled stuff. I tried as hard as possible to finalize the deal without the "knitting circle" being involved...guess that did not happen.
    "Stirring the pot" is one thing, but posting comments,on a blog just to show everyone they are "in the know" can hurt relationships and create rumors which are complete B.S. I guess I deserve it though, as I try to keep the site fresh with enthusiasm, and photos of beautiful glass.Always active and "out there" with acquisitions, and excitement which I love to share with others.
    I can control that, and will.

  2. What the...? I missed something, but not the
    impending trade that happened. I was speaking wishfully, hence the quotation marks surrounding "MY". It had been my hope that the bottle could some day be dropped into my Hotaling "Black Hole", but it went further west. No harm, no foul, a great exchange was made between two serious collectors of quality western glass.

  3. I think that people take things here way too seriously. Most of us will never get the chance to own a black glass cassins or any other example of this probably most sought after western bitters. The people involved in this trade should thank there lucky stars or whatever enables them to buy or trade a bottle most collectors would die for.. get over yourselves before you completely destroy the hobby. Harsh words maybe, but I get tired of reading this stuff from people who have the best bottles in the world, in which most of us can only dream of having, let alone seeing once in awhile at a bottle show display. Its no wonder that collectors get excited about a trade or sale of this magnitude, you should be happy that you have the wherewithal in todays sad economy to be able to make this deal.....Anyways that is my two bits worth, sorry if I have hurt any feelings, but this hobby will go nowhere if the major collectors do not get off there high horses and get a little bit real......Andy/Djoldstuf

  4. And if anybody thinks that I am hiding behind the anonymus label, Here is my e-mail. You can send me anything you want, a collector of bottles since I dug my first Eldorado brewing co beer bottle in a hole in downtown Stockton during the I-5 right of way back in the late sisties and early

  5. Just like Miller's Extra expected a post after Old Cutter's comment, I expected some sort of up tight commentary on my post.
    You big deal boys sure are jumpy and way too uppity for us common folks.

    I wrote the post with my tongue in cheek pointing out how hard it was for a collector to let go of a bottle he loved. To bad you took it personal, it wasn't intended to be all about you.

    If you haven't noticed the bottle community is a very small group of collectors that live and breath the hobby. Any news that involves some major bottles or players is circulated as fast as it can be reported and embellished.

    What part of this planet are you from? When your wheelin' and dealin' five and six figure bottles, hell yes, sombody's going to pay attention. Quite a few people in this hobby want to discuss a transaction they could never afford or be invited to partake in.

    If you want to keep your aquisitions secret maybe your deals need to be made in the parking lot or behind a 7-Eleven with the other junkies.

    Hey, I am happy for you, Old Cutters and every other straight up guy that adds something that they really want to their collections. But personally, I could care less what you put on your shelf and what you paid for it. rs

  6. Right on Rick. I come here to see articles and pics of the great bottles that I hardly ever get to see,let alone own. I have no place to dig any up now either. Plus I am now at the age where doing what Lou does in those very deep dangerous holes would probably kill me, LOL. That does not bother me near as much as complaining about a great deal being talked about by other collectors, or even stating something in fun or tongue in cheek so to say. If this hobby is to keep growing so all of us can maybe sell our bottles in the future we have to let everybody who is interested, be a part of the hobby, and not to be so durned thin skinned.Andy/djsoldstuf

  7. Probably all of us have a tendency to refer to ex-personal collection bottles as "ours", especially if we dug them, regardless where they have gone in the ensuing years. Some collectors tend to keep certain bottles in their collections for many years and are reluctant to part with them. Occasionally, a bottle will be levered from a collection for one reason or another, and usually to someone who will enjoy it as they once did. We are all part of the great bottle collecting fraternity and trading amongst ourselves not only keeps the hobby moving, it darned sure makes it far more interesting.

  8. I love to read about The Big Deals. I love to see the great pictures of bottles I will only ever see in pictures. There are two different social castes here with bottle collecting. The Big Dawgs and the rest of us. The knowledge and information shared here are good for the hobby. Rather than being taken aback by everyone's interest in another big time trade/acquisition, a collector should be proud to be able to pull off such deals. I will never ever be able to afford any of the examples I see posted here and on the whiskey blogs. Once in a great while do I spend as much as C-note on a single bottle. For some they would never bother with a $100 bottle. Wayyy too cheap, right? I think there is room in this hobby for all of us.