tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6842291092692051858.post6314881225426103007..comments2024-03-10T16:18:44.220-07:00Comments on Western Bottle News: Repro update - a comparisonRick Simihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08482738207230371864noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6842291092692051858.post-56702873920788905302013-11-15T09:51:29.536-08:002013-11-15T09:51:29.536-08:00Thanks for info I emailed the guy who makes them w...Thanks for info I emailed the guy who makes them wanted a cobalt drakes, thought it would look nice with my others even fake never got back to me, he could make a lot of money making fantasy pieces but he has to mark them some kind of way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6842291092692051858.post-23373048172361187102013-06-16T17:09:31.409-07:002013-06-16T17:09:31.409-07:00Fantastic piece of work Bruce
Thanks!Fantastic piece of work Bruce<br />Thanks!Rick Simihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08482738207230371864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6842291092692051858.post-36507927624271908852013-06-15T22:18:55.082-07:002013-06-15T22:18:55.082-07:00Great job! Since originals were likely made in sev...Great job! Since originals were likely made in several molds with slight variations, I'm wondering if the fakes might more closely resemble an authentic example that has not not been compared to yet? Also, for either of you that have fakes in hand, how do they feel to the touch? New imported glass sold at local import stores often have a greasy feel or will cause the fingers to feel slightly sweaty when held against the glass for a few seconds. Any slight sour odors coming from the glass or inside the bottle? IXLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14693918799907531116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6842291092692051858.post-63984104923905029892013-06-15T16:45:21.466-07:002013-06-15T16:45:21.466-07:00These bottle come from Butler New Jersey, and are ...These bottle come from Butler New Jersey, and are I believe imported from China by Dog River Glass co. The person showing up on my pay pal account billing sheet is Nick Sekelas of Historic Clothiers, who I believe make or import civil ear enactor clothing-uniforms. The only thing that will stop this kind of thing is if these people are pressured into having there bottles marked reproduction on the bottoms in embossed wording that would be hard to remove. there is no reason not to do this unless the reason is to DELIBERATLY fool buyers of antique bottles. May the court of public opinion prosecute this practice.........Andy VAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6842291092692051858.post-31356518684518388042013-06-15T14:51:58.253-07:002013-06-15T14:51:58.253-07:00Bruce, Mi Amigo, Much Respect to Your Knowledge Al...Bruce, Mi Amigo, Much Respect to Your Knowledge Always, Thanks for Taking the Time to Do the Follow Ups on the Garbage Fake Bottles that are Making an Appearance. Not Good For the Hobby or For Business, Fake is Fake. I Starting Worrying When I 1st Read about these Fakes, I had just Bought a 4 Log off Ebay and have 2 More that I Bought off Ebay in the Last Couple of Years. I had nothing to compare them with other than a 6 Log I had just bought. The 4 Log was Smaller So I was worried a bit. Thanks to the Bottle Collecting Community and Knowledgeable Collectors such as Yourself I feel Much Better about What I Bought, I can See for sure mine are real. Great Article. I agree too, I Don't own a barrel to be able to compare too so I would not Buy One without touching it unless it came from one of a handful of guys I buy off of who are also knowledgeable. Man, this could really get ugly, What Can We Do To Put This Down? RickDr.Barneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18238516641672747766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6842291092692051858.post-49782641630812936592013-06-15T13:30:59.889-07:002013-06-15T13:30:59.889-07:00I agree with all of the above comments and would a...I agree with all of the above comments and would add that to my eye, these would be very difficult to discern as fakes if they were offered for sale as an individual piece...the four log Drake's is really good, and the Sachems is even better...tooled top or not. I know the glass is too "shiny" and new looking, but bottles which have been tumbled look this way. I still believe that Dog River should mark each as a reproduction with a debossed mark somewhere as this would not hurt the Civil War re-enactment gig one bit, but as they are will definitely fool some collectors. I will continue to keep lightly stained bottles in this state to confirm their age, and hope that a California Club House whiskey is not next in line to be faked by this company. I see no redeeming reason that these popular bottles are being faked with this accuracy. There is no legitimate reason except to fool. Dale M.Westernglassaddicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13162676128646657580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6842291092692051858.post-62986537550692270702013-06-15T12:30:00.556-07:002013-06-15T12:30:00.556-07:00I agree with Dana and Andy ! To the novice/new col...I agree with Dana and Andy ! To the novice/new collector , or seasoned collector not familiar with Drake's I see these repros as dangerous to the hobby. <br />The embossing was the first thing that caught my eye, as I posted in an earlier Facebook post.<br />I'm very thankful for your article . I was hoping someone <br />would get some of these repros in hand to compare with originals. I was wondering just exactly how good they were. I appreciate your time and efforts for the great info for myself and fellow bottle bugs. <br />Thanks , Brian R. ShultisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6842291092692051858.post-61776757676631795992013-06-15T12:03:30.651-07:002013-06-15T12:03:30.651-07:00Thank you for the time and effort you put into thi...Thank you for the time and effort you put into this project, and for sharing the photos. I agree with Andy Volkerts (above) that you have the benefit of an original to compare the reproduction against. Most people don't, and to say the fake barrel is 2-1/4" whereas the original is only 2-1/16...I don't think the average collector is going to know that. The other measurements are only 1/8" inch off. 1/8"!! The company reproducing these bottles is dangerous. Dog River GW has blocked me from their facebook page, but the rest of you can blast him on it. Report him. Do SOMEthing. Ferdinand, your reports are SOMEthing, but something MORE needs to be done . . . in my humble opinion. Thank you. Dana Charlton-ZarroAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6842291092692051858.post-46487559136373149392013-06-15T10:22:13.867-07:002013-06-15T10:22:13.867-07:00Thanks for the posting of the pics, My example is ...Thanks for the posting of the pics, My example is better than yours when compared to the one you have pics of , the embossing clears the rings better. BUT you have a real example to compare it too, a lot of people who shop flea-bay do not, in your first pic of the old Sachems that compares it to your real one you state that the fake is on the left, if a person didn't know that, they are really close enough to fool. These are dangerous fakes, and this is only going to get worse, again thanks for posting your examples of these obnoxious fakes.....Andy VolkertsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com